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axn



Joined: 11 Sep 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:06 am    Post subject: Not deleting from server Reply with quote

I have it setup to delete messages from server if score is more then 90.

It's not doing it. It's kind of annoying.

What gives?

I am running version 1.7.0.8 (but it has being like this for a while)

TIA
George
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vetaltm
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Not deleting from server Reply with quote

axn wrote:
I have it setup to delete messages from server if score is more then 90.

It's not doing it. It's kind of annoying.

What gives?

I am running version 1.7.0.8 (but it has being like this for a while)

The plug-in doesn't actually delete the messages from server if you set an option above in TheBat settings. Deleting messages by their score is executed by email client, after filtering the emails in the plug-in. If you see in log that the messages are classified with a score larger than 90%, but email client doesn't delete them from server, then most probably there is some issue with a version of TheBat you are using at the moment. Everything works properly on TheBat 3.85.03 and lower. Maybe you have turned on "Leave messages on server" option for an account. AFAIK TheBat doesn't delete messages in that case.
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axn



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I diddn't explain the issue properly.

I mean - the spam does get filtered and goes to my Junk Mail folder on my PC, but it should stay on the server and get deleted there. Like other and most of the other spam. "It should not get downloaded".

It's the same formed spam that is getting trough over and over again.

Sample bellow:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Is their way I can make an adjustment? Like go lower score for the server setting in the Bat config. From 90 to 65?
TB v3.85.02
ASS 1.8.0.1
TheBat is setup to delete emails from the server.

TIA
George
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klaus



Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axn,

you want AntiSpamSniper to check your e-mail and you listed the e-mail body as example. There is NO PROGRAM in the world that can check the e-mail text without downloading. Any AntiSpam software must download the complete text and only then it will be able to process it.

There are a couple of programs that offer to delete mail on the server but they pray on the end-user's misinterpretation of how e-mail filtering is done. They download the entire mail as required for filtering, and then go back to the server to delete it. Practically, they increase your bandwidth more than necessary.

Decrease TheBat's upper limit for deleting but please note that e-mails you deleted are gone and cannot be recovered.
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axn



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly this is is getting complicated.

I am not sure how better I can format my question.

I just don't want the "same" spam in my junk folder in my PC. It should be eliminated in my pop on the server site "like MOST of the other spam".

The early ASS use to do it - but it was very aggressive. Now it's doing it as well, but it's more relaxed and large number of spam is reaching my PC.
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klaus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

axn,

it is my understanding that ASS can check/ delete mail on the server by checking the mail headers only and not the entire mail text. In order to check the contents (text), the entire mail must be downloaded and will then be submitted to your e-mail client. If the mail arrives with a mail rating of i.e.: 88, then you must make sure that TheBat! checkbox: "Delete a message if the score is greater than..." is checked and that the score limit is set to less than the rating.

Your previous posting listed the mail text as an example but no reference to the mail headers. I hope that this answers your question.
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vetaltm
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

axn wrote:

I mean - the spam does get filtered and goes to my Junk Mail folder on my PC, but it should stay on the server and get deleted there. Like other and most of the other spam. "It should not get downloaded".

It's the same formed spam that is getting trough over and over again.

The plug-in is able to delete spam from server only by headers. The body is not downloaded on checking headers for saving the traffic. If the body downloaded along with the headers, the mail would be downloaded twice. For deleting repeated spam you can use the following:

1) As Klaus stated above, it is possible to make TheBat delete from server the messages classified as spam on the client.

2) Use black rules and black subject keywords for deleting from server the messages with certain text in headers. For example, if you have spam with repeated words in subjects, then it may be deleted from server without downloading body using the black rule:
Header{Subject} =~ repeated text
For deleting by sender's address:
Header{From} =~ user@domain\.com
and so on.

Using the list of black keywords it is possible to filter a lot of spam with frequently repeated words in subjects. To make it work turn on the filtering by black keywords in corresponding dialog and fill up the list of spammy keywords. A list of black keywords may be edited manually or updated automatically on training the plug-in.
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